bodog update

[StevenM]

I hate to bring bad news, at this time we do not foresee any future development for the new Bodog client. I have been interviewed a few times in the past 24 hours on this topic, here is the first article to be published: http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/pok ... us-586990/

Although the Bodog terms of service legally permit the use of PokerTracker, we are aware that Bodog is determined to stop it's users from using tracking software on their poker client. Bodog discussed their intentions with us 10 months ago, and there were numerous articles written in February announcing Bodog's intentions at that time as well - their intentions were made public a long time ago but they received few complaints that I am aware of at the time. Here is an example of such an article: http://www.pokernewsreport.com/bodog-po ... sites-1255

PokerTracker is a ethically responsible company within the poker industry; we unfortunately cannot devote the development time needed if Bodog's marketing does not wish to allow PokerTracker users on their network. We will continue to support Bodog legacy hand histories for your personal review and results tracking, this change in policy only effects the new poker client.

Feel free to ask questions about Bodog, we will do our best to give you thoughtful answers.

StevenM

[PJs Ronin]

Bodog have chosen this business model and must now live with it. I get the distinct impression they do not want customers who have any degree of competency and would prefer a constant stream of newbies... quick deposit, lose, bored, go away, new newbie takes over. Tbh, I can't see that working.

As of today, Pokerscout reports 7 day average traffic for Bodog of 1,100. Let's see what happens to that in the coming weeks/months.

[ihatepostgreSQL]

hahahhahahahhahaha that is funny

you said u not going to fix hud for bodog hahahahhaha


okay so how long is it going to take before it is fixed


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i am waiting


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fixed yet?


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still waiting....

fixed yet?


really though just to have it working for current table is good for bodog

having every game start at zero is good enough

you dont even have to keep track of my cards

bodog now lets you play up to 20 tables!


if i play 20 tables it would be like flying in the complete dark

if you fix it for JUST the current game it would help A LOT!

still waiting...
fixed yet?

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still waiting...


fixed yet?


if i am playing even 5 tables i wouldnt even know if a guy was on auto-fold the whole game and might fold my sb to him!


still waiting...



fixed yet?

[ihatepostgreSQL]

you fixed it for cake

fix it for bodog!


is it fixed yet?


still waiting...

fixed yet?

[ihatepostgreSQL]

PT sucked on bodog compared to ft and ps but i lived with it...

now bodog got new and normal good software and now you say you wont fix it?????????




fixed yet?

still waiting...

fixed yet?

[StevenM]

you said u not going to fix hud for bodog hahahahhaha


okay so how long is it going to take before it is fixed?

Unfortunately there is nothing to fix, we will not be developing for Bodog going forward. You mentioned Cake, perhaps you were not aware that we did not create a HUD for this site until we had permission to do so from Cake. PokerTracker is a highly ethical company, we follow the terms and conditions of all of the sites we support, in the case of Cake the Terms of Service had to be revised before we were able to develop the HUD for their network. Bodog does not want PokerTracker users on it's network, we will respect their decision. In turn if you disagree with Bodog's decision you have the choice to not play there... that is the wonderful thing about the poker industry - players always have a choice.

PS: here is the latest interview on the Bodog topic, from PokerFuse.com - http://pokerfuse.com/features/interview ... ous-bodog/

[Grinder]

Bodog does not want PokerTracker users on it's network, we will respect their decision.

Bodog is not your customer, we are.
I bought PT3 a couple of months ago because I was assured that it would work with Bodog, if you guys are not going live up to that then I would like a refund.
I expect Bodog to treat me like an a******e but I also expected better from you guys.

Bodog's business model is flawed because it assumes that if they can just get rid of the top 5% of players the other 95% will all be equally unskilled and just endlessly churn their money away.
Of course, that's not true. If you get rid of the best 5%, you just make the next lower 5% profitable. The more they cut, the more their profits will shrink.

Don't make the same mistake, PokerTracker is successful only as long as it makes it's customers happy. PTR3 now has no function at all for Bodog players. The US market is difficult, not every player can just switch to Cake or Merge.

I'm serious about the refund too, if you are dumping Bodog support then you should offer full refunds to everyone who bought PTR3 in at least the last 6 months.

[StevenM]

Bodog does not want PokerTracker users on it's network, we will respect their decision.

Bodog is not your customer, we are

You are correct about that, but at this stage we all know that Bodog does not want PokerTracker users, we are powerless to change that. Bodog has the ability to block hand history grabbers in the new client and they have also replaced all scree names with seat numbers, without a hand history grabber there is literally no way to import the data needed for PokerTracker to work. I'm afraid we have exhausted all possibilities for the new client, the only solace for Bodog users that we can extend is that existing Bodog hands from the point prior to the release of the new client will continue to be supported.

In closing if you feel this strongly then I sugest you share your opinions with Bodog. They took away your right to use PokerTracker on the Bodog network, it was not our decision to make. Bodog doesn't seem to understand that PokerTracker is primarily a tool to track your own results and to in turn learn from your past experiences, this is a feature that is helpful for both winning and losing players alike. Owning Pokertracker does not make you a winning player, its just a tool that automates the taking of notes while expressing data in statistical form - it is not a magic bullet that make you a winning player, only you can make yourself into a winning player. They are not only alienating winning players, they are also alienating losing players by blocking the use of our software. But in the end it is their business and their decision to make - we are powerless to change this decision the behalf of our customers.... there is literally nothing we can do.

[Grinder]

Bodog has the ability to block hand history grabbers in the new client

Are you saying that there is a new protection in addition to removing screen names?

Because all I am asking for is that PT keep track of player stats from the time I sit down at a table to the time I leave. I can live with starting over from scratch each time, as long as I can keep track of my own stats and have some vague idea of what sort of players I am facing when I play 4 tables. Plus being able to tell if I am still playing the same people after I get back from a break.

I'm afraid we have exhausted all possibilities for the new client

It's only been a day, are you sure about this?

In closing if you feel this strongly then I sugest you share your opinions with Bodog.

Believe me when I say that I intend to. I will probably close my account because of this, but I need to be sure there is no other reasonable fix first. Given the fees and difficulty associated with funding an account, it only makes sense to leave if I am never coming back. Also, I have a big bonus to work off on Bodog and I'm trying to figure out if that is still feasible.

Bodog also has a long history of ignoring problems and player concerns, so I have zero expectation that they will listen to me or anyone else.

[WhiteRider]

I can live with starting over from scratch each time, as long as I can keep track of my own stats and have some vague idea of what sort of players I am facing when I play 4 tables. Plus being able to tell if I am still playing the same people after I get back from a break.

Neither of these are possible when the player names are replaced by numbers. Your own name is hidden as well as everyone else, and unless you actually see a player leave and then the seat be taken again there is no way to know that there was a change (and even then the same player could have rejoined).

Regardless of any technical issues which it may or may not be possible to work around, if Bodog do not want to allow trackers then PokerTracker has to respect that. We will not break the terms of any site, and although trackers aren't banned from Bodog at the moment their decision to hide all player names suggests that they could be heading that way.
(Steven knows much more about the background to this so may need to correct me.)