Stat option for 3bet and non 3bet Pots

[Hellos]

Would be great to be able to choose for every stat as an option, if it's a 3bet pot or not. Should not be difficult to implement, as there is a 3bet pot flag. It should be way more efficient to have this option than to create separate stats for each possible variation.

[kraada]

This is one of those options that sounds a lot easier in theory than it is in practice, I'm afraid.

[Hellos]

Why is this if there exists the 3bet pot flag?

[kraada]

It's because of the way the stats are built out of columns - we'd need to append extra information to specific types of columns, which either requires that we cache everything, or don't cache everything. The former would double the size of our cache making it unwieldy and the latter would make these stats very slow, plus we would then need to have the stats built differently when those options were enabled - all of the other properties use cached values so this would be a significant change.

[Hellos]

It would be great to have this as an option to switch on or off, as programs like HEM have all these stats as a default.

[BillGatesIII]

Which particular stat for a 3bet or non 3bet pot do you miss? I could try to create it.

[Hellos]

Hi BillGatesIII,

Thanks for your kind offer!

I'm currently trying to get the cbet/3bet stat and the fold vs missed cbet Stat.

[BillGatesIII]

You're welcome.

I'm currently trying to get the cbet/3bet stat

Could you please explain this one? Do you mean cbet in a 3bet pot? Because that one is called CBet Flop in 3Bet+ Pot.

and the fold vs missed cbet Stat.

I assume you refer to the situation where somebody does not cbet and folds to a bet? In PT4 there are stats for this one in position and out of position.

For situations when a player bets in position after the preflop aggressor did not cbet for a single raised pot it's called Fold F to Float Bet (and Fold T to Float Bet and Fold R to Float Bet). The Fold F to Float Bet in 3Bet+ Pot can be downloaded from the Download Warehouse https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/stats.

Out of position for a single raised pot it's called Fold T to Probe Bet (and Fold R to Probe Bet). The Fold to T Probe Bet in 3Bet+ Pot and Fold to R Probe Bet in 3Bet+ Pot are also in the Download Warehouse.

[Hellos]

Thanks a lot for explaining the missed cbets. I will include them in my HUD.

By cbet/3bet stat I mean how often someone 3bets say a flop after cbetting it.

[BillGatesIII]

... By cbet/3bet stat I mean how often someone 3bets say a flop after cbetting it.

I don't think PT4 has a stat for that one. These two exist.

3Bet F Check Raise
3Bet Flop

So the last one is all 3Bets on the Flop. Not only after a CBet.

@kraada: For building a 3Bet after CBet Flop stat, would the denomenator column be like this?

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sum(if[cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_cbet AND cash_hand_player_statistics.flg_f_3bet_opp, 1, 0])

It looks a little strange. And the numerator would be the standard cnt_f_3bet?